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 CRATES
-“1Crates: —Son of Ascondas, of Thebes. He too was one of the famous disciples of the Dog （i.e. Diogenes） ... He flourished in the 113th Olympiad （328-5 b.c.）” Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
+“1Crates: —Son of Ascondas, of Thebes. He too was one of the famous disciples of the Dog （i.e. Diogenes） ... He flourished in the 113th Olympiad （328-5 b.c.）”
+Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
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-“Of Phryne herself the Thespians made a gold statue and dedicated it upon a column of Pentelic marble at Delphi; it was the work of Praxiteles. When Crates the Cynic saw it he exclaimed ‘Dedicated by the incontinence of the Greeks.’2” Athenaeus Doctors at Dinner
+“Of Phryne herself the Thespians made a gold statue and dedicated it upon a column of Pentelic marble at Delphi; it was the work of Praxiteles. When Crates the Cynic saw it he exclaimed ‘Dedicated by the incontinence of the Greeks.’2”
+Athenaeus Doctors at Dinner
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-“Some have made exile and loss of their goods a means to leisure and the study of philosophy, for instance Diogenes and Crates.3” Plutarch How to Benefit by our Enemies
+“Some have made exile and loss of their goods a means to leisure and the study of philosophy, for instance Diogenes and Crates.3”
+Plutarch How to Benefit by our Enemies
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-“We are told that when Demetrius of Phalerum was banished his country and was living in obscurity and mean circumstances near Thebes, he was little pleased to see Crates approach, expecting to be treated with the outspokenness and harshness of the Cynics. But when Crates addressed him kindly and spoke of banishment, saying that it had no sting, and a man rid once for all of dangers and uncertainties had no cause to bewail his lot, and at the same time urging him to have confidence in himself and his condition, he took heart of grace and exclaimed to his friends ‘Fie on the labours and distractions which prevented me from knowing such a man as this!’” Plutarch How to tell a Flatterer from a Friend
+“We are told that when Demetrius of Phalerum was banished his country and was living in obscurity and mean circumstances near Thebes, he was little pleased to see Crates approach, expecting to be treated with the outspokenness and harshness of the Cynics. But when Crates addressed him kindly and spoke of banishment, saying that it had no sting, and a man rid once for all of dangers and uncertainties had no cause to bewail his lot, and at the same time urging him to have confidence in himself and his condition, he took heart of grace and exclaimed to his friends ‘Fie on the labours and distractions which prevented me from knowing such a man as this!’”
+Plutarch How to tell a Flatterer from a Friend
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-“‘Crates lets go of Crates’ goods lest Crates' goods out-Crates Crates’:4 It seems that Crates, a Boeotian by extraction, desiring to adopt the Cynic philosophy, took his possessions and threw them to the people, making the above proverb-like pronouncement.5” Apostolius Proverbs
+“‘Crates lets go of Crates’ goods lest Crates' goods out-Crates Crates’:4 It seems that Crates, a Boeotian by extraction, desiring to adopt the Cynic philosophy, took his possessions and threw them to the people, making the above proverb-like pronouncement.5”
+Apostolius Proverbs
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-. Elegiac Poems
+===== Elegiac Poems =====
+Lest anyone think me to be speaking without book, I will subjoin a few passages from the Toys or Humorous Poems of Crates:6
-“Lest anyone think me to be speaking without book, I will subjoin a few passages from the Toys or Humorous Poems of Crates:6
+//Splendid Children of Memory and Olympian Zeus, give ear, Pierian Muses, unto my prayer. Grant fodder without fail unto my belly, which hath ever made my living of the frugalest short of slavery ...7 Make me rather profitable than pleasant to my friends. Fine possessions I wish not to gather, as who should crave the wealth of a beetle or the riches of an ant, but my prayer is to partake of righteousness and win a prosperity that is borne easily and gotten easily, valuable unto virtue. The which if I get, I will propitiate Hermes and the holy Muses not with rich spendings but with pure virtues.//
-Splendid Children of Memory and Olympian Zeus, give ear, Pierian Muses, unto my prayer. Grant fodder without fail unto my belly, which hath ever made my living of the frugalest short of slavery ...7 Make me rather profitable than pleasant to my friends. Fine possessions I wish not to gather, as who should crave the wealth of a beetle or the riches of an ant, but my prayer is to partake of righteousness and win a prosperity that is borne easily and gotten easily, valuable unto virtue. The which if I get, I will propitiate Hermes and the holy Muses not with rich spendings but with pure virtues.
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-” Julian Orations
+Julian Orations
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 Hymn to Thrift
-“Crates moreover composed a Hymn to Thrift :8
+Crates moreover composed a Hymn to Thrift :8
-Hail, thou Goddess Queen, darling of the wise, Thrift that art sprung of renown'd Temperance; thy virtues are honoured by all who practise righteousness.
+//Hail, thou Goddess Queen, darling of the wise, Thrift that art sprung of renown'd Temperance; thy virtues are honoured by all who practise righteousness.//
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+Julian Orations
-” Julian Orations
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-ii Epic Poems
+===== Epic Poems =====
-“But you, who think so much of Aristarchus, turn a deaf ear to Crates when he reads:
+But you, who think so much of Aristarchus, turn a deaf ear to Crates when he reads:
-Ocean, that is the father of them all, Both men and Gods, pours over much o' th' earth.9
+//Ocean, that is the father of them all, Both men and Gods, pours over much o' th' earth.9//
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-” Plutarch The Face in the Moon
+Plutarch The Face in the Moon
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-“[Stilpo]: And again, on seeing Crates pinched with the cold in winter, he remarked ‘You seem to me, Crates, to need a new coat ’ [which also means a coat and wits , or as we might put it ‘Why not weave the wool you gather?’]; annoyed by this, Crates replied with the following parody:10
+[Stilpo]: And again, on seeing Crates pinched with the cold in winter, he remarked ‘You seem to me, Crates, to need a new coat ’ [which also means a coat and wits , or as we might put it ‘Why not weave the wool you gather?’]; annoyed by this, Crates replied with the following parody:10
-And Stilpo eke saw I in toilsome woe At Megara,11 where' tis said Typhoeus sleeps;12 There wrangled he, with comrades thronged, and ran A letter-shifting goose-chase after Virtue.13
+//And Stilpo eke saw I in toilsome woe At Megara,11 where' tis said Typhoeus sleeps;12 There wrangled he, with comrades thronged, and ran A letter-shifting goose-chase after Virtue.13//
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-” Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
+Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
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-“[Menedemus]: He appears to have thought quite enough of himself; and so is thus taken off by Crates:
+[Menedemus]: He appears to have thought quite enough of himself; and so is thus taken off by Crates:
-Asclepiades of Phlius and the Bull Eretrian14
+//Asclepiades of Phlius and the Bull Eretrian14//
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+Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
-” Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
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-“Do you not see that there is much to be got both from land and sea?15 And yet in Crates' words:16
+Do you not see that there is much to be got both from land and sea?15 And yet in Crates' words:16
-And Micylus saw I17 ..... Carding some wool, his goodwife carding too, Fleeing from Famine in a death-grip dire.18
+//And Micylus saw I17 ..... Carding some wool, his goodwife carding too, Fleeing from Famine in a death-grip dire.18//
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+Plutarch Against Borrowing
-” Plutarch Against Borrowing
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-THE WALLET
+===== The Wallet =====
 “The following Toys or humorous verses of his are well known:
-Wallet's a town i' th' wine-dark sea of Folly; Fair 'tis and fat, all dirt,19 and ne'er a groat in 't. Thither ne'er sails the foolish parasite Nor lickerish catamite with watering mouth, But thyme it bears and garlic, figs and loaves; O'er these things ne'er do her possessors quarrel Nor stand to arms for farthings or for fame.20
+//Wallet's a town i' th' wine-dark sea of Folly; Fair 'tis and fat, all dirt,19 and ne'er a groat in 't. Thither ne'er sails the foolish parasite Nor lickerish catamite with watering mouth, But thyme it bears and garlic, figs and loaves; O'er these things ne'er do her possessors quarrel Nor stand to arms for farthings or for fame.20//
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-” Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers [Crates]
+Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers [Crates]
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-[ON FREEDOM]
+===== On Freedom =====
-“ And Antisthenes prefers madness to pleasure, and the Theban Crates says:
+And Antisthenes prefers madness to pleasure, and the Theban Crates says:
-And those she sways in pride that such they be Serve neither gold nor loves that waste the wits, Nor have they truck with wanton violence;
+//And those she sways in pride that such they be Serve neither gold nor loves that waste the wits, Nor have they truck with wanton violence;//
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 Unbound, unbent by Pleasure's servitude, Their queen's immortal Freedom whom they love.21
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-”
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-“Now Crates, who believed that discord and despotism were chiefly due to luxury and extravagance, gave the following humorous advice:
+Now Crates, who believed that discord and despotism were chiefly due to luxury and extravagance, gave the following humorous advice:
-Embroil us not by making more of a pot than pottage.22
+//Embroil us not by making more of a pot than pottage.22//
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+Plutarch Precepts of Health
-” Plutarch Precepts of Health
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-Gather but beans and cockles in a pot, And you shall triumph over Penury.
+//Gather but beans and cockles in a pot, And you shall triumph over Penury.//
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-” Teles in Stobaeus Anthology
+Teles in Stobaeus Anthology
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-“[Crates]: There is also this of his:
+[Crates]: There is also this of his:
-My lore, my thoughts, and what the Muse hath given Of pride, are mine; my great wealth 's gone to smoke.23
+//My lore, my thoughts, and what the Muse hath given Of pride, are mine; my great wealth 's gone to smoke.23//
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+Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
-” Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
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-“[Crates]: When he had been flogged by the gymnasium-master at Thebes —or according to another version by Euthycrates at Corinth —and was being dragged by the heels, he remarked unconcernedly:
+[Crates]: When he had been flogged by the gymnasium-master at Thebes —or according to another version by Euthycrates at Corinth —and was being dragged by the heels, he remarked unconcernedly:
-Hale by the foot across the heavenly threshold24
+//Hale by the foot across the heavenly threshold24//
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+Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
-” Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
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-“[Crates]: Feeling that death was near, he sang himself the following incantation:
+[Crates]: Feeling that death was near, he sang himself the following incantation:
-Hunchback, you're on the way to Hades' home.
+//Hunchback, you're on the way to Hades' home.//
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 For time had bowed his back.
-”
 Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
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-eaters by mutual consent.25
+//eaters by mutual consent.25//
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+Stobaeus Anthology [on flattery]
-” Stobaeus Anthology [on flattery]
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-iambi
+===== Iambi =====
-“26[Crates]: There is also the well-known Ledger which runs as follows:
+[Crates]: There is also the well-known Ledger which runs as follows:
-Put down ‘Cook—forty pounds; Surgeon—a shilling; Flatterer—a thousand guineas; Mentor—smoke; Harlot—two hundred pounds; Wise man rthree pence.’
+//Put down ‘Cook—forty pounds; Surgeon—a shilling; Flatterer—a thousand guineas; Mentor—smoke; Harlot—two hundred pounds; Wise man rthree pence.’//
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-” Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
+Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
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-Thou know'st not how great strength there lies in these — A wallet, a peck of pease, and never a care.27
+//Thou know'st not how great strength there lies in these — A wallet, a peck of pease, and never a care.27//
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-” Teles in Stobaeus Anthology
+Teles in Stobaeus Anthology
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-“[Crates]: This also of his is well known:
+[Crates]: This also of his is well known:
-Love's checked by hunger, failing that, by time; And if you cannot wait, a running noose.28
+//Love's checked by hunger, failing that, by time; And if you cannot wait, a running noose.28//
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+Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
-” Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers
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-I'm bent by Time, the great artificer, Who being deft yet weakens all he makes.
+//I'm bent by Time, the great artificer, Who being deft yet weakens all he makes.//
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+Stobaeus Anthology [old age]
-” Stobaeus Anthology [old age]
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-“Crates from Antiphanes:—29
+Crates from Antiphanes:—29
-You taunt me with my age as 't were an ill; Yet he that gets not Eld is put to death, And all desire it; but and if it come We are sorry; such is man's ingratitude.30
+//You taunt me with my age as 't were an ill; Yet he that gets not Eld is put to death, And all desire it; but and if it come We are sorry; such is man's ingratitude.30//
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+Stobaeus Anthology [old age]
-” Stobaeus Anthology [old age]
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-“And even poverty, Epictetus would say, is nothing terrible, or it would have seemed so to Crates of Thebes, who only considered himself free when he had given up his possessions to his country. Then, saying ‘Crates robs,’ etc. he put a wreath as of freedom upon his head because he had exchanged poverty for affluence.
+And even poverty, Epictetus would say, is nothing terrible, or it would have seemed so to Crates of Thebes, who only considered himself free when he had given up his possessions to his country. Then, saying ‘Crates robs,’ etc. he put a wreath as of freedom upon his head because he had exchanged poverty for affluence.
-Crates robs Crates of his chattels, lest They come to be possessor, he possest. Crates of Thebes hereby sets Crates free.31
+//Crates robs Crates of his chattels, lest They come to be possessor, he possest. Crates of Thebes hereby sets Crates free.31//
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-” Simplicius on Epictetus
+Simplicius on Epictetus
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-“Crates ... saying ‘Crates of Thebes sets Crates free.’” Isidore of Pelusium Letters
+“Crates ... saying ‘Crates of Thebes sets Crates free.’”
+Isidore of Pelusium Letters
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-“ ... rushing out into the marketplace, he threw away his possessions like a load of refuse that gave more trouble than it was worth, and cried to the crowd that gathered ‘Crates sets Crates free.’” Apuleius Florida
+“ ... rushing out into the marketplace, he threw away his possessions like a load of refuse that gave more trouble than it was worth, and cried to the crowd that gathered ‘Crates sets Crates free.’”
+Apuleius Florida
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- “Crates the philosopher ... philosophising said: ‘Crates sets free the goods of Crates lest they come to be the possessor and he the possessed.’” John of Damascus
+ “Crates the philosopher ... philosophising said: ‘Crates sets free the goods of Crates lest they come to be the possessor and he the possessed.’”
+John of Damascus
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-“Crates in like manner setting himself above riches, and turning his goods into a sheepwalk32 as being abettors of vice and makers of slaves, rose above an altar and made loud proclamation as though in the midst of Olympia, to this wondrous effect, ‘Crates of Thebes’ etc., knowing that the possession of goods is servitude.” Gregory of Nazianzus Poems
+“Crates in like manner setting himself above riches, and turning his goods into a sheepwalk32 as being abettors of vice and makers of slaves, rose above an altar and made loud proclamation as though in the midst of Olympia, to this wondrous effect, ‘Crates of Thebes’ etc., knowing that the possession of goods is servitude.”
+Gregory of Nazianzus Poems
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-“Crates:—This man turned his goods into a sheepwalk, and rising upon the altar said: ‘Crates of Thebes,’ etc.” Suidas Lexicon
+“Crates:—This man turned his goods into a sheepwalk, and rising upon the altar said: ‘Crates of Thebes,’ etc.”
+Suidas Lexicon
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-“It is said that the same Crates —or, as some say, another philosopher equally wise —when a storm arose at sea and the ship was in danger of foundering because of her freight, threw his goods （ or money） overboard with this memorable remark:
+It is said that the same Crates —or, as some say, another philosopher equally wise —when a storm arose at sea and the ship was in danger of foundering because of her freight, threw his goods （ or money） overboard with this memorable remark:
-Thanks to thee, Luck, who s't taught me what is good, How easily a smock holds all I am!33
+//Thanks to thee, Luck, who s't taught me what is good, How easily a smock holds all I am!33//
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+Gregory of Nazianzus （continuing）
-” Gregory of Nazianzus （continuing）
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-'Tis hard there should be dearth in harvest-time.
+//'Tis hard there should be dearth in harvest-time.//
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-” Julian Beard-hater:
+Julian Beard-hater
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-Tragedies
+===== Tragedies =====
-“34There is also current a work of Crates entitled Letters, containing excellent philosophy and in a style sometimes approaching Plato's. He also wrote Tragedies, which display a philosophy of a very high type; compare:
+There is also current a work of Crates entitled Letters, containing excellent philosophy and in a style sometimes approaching Plato's. He also wrote Tragedies, which display a philosophy of a very high type; compare:
-Not one tower only hath my home, nor roof; The house and citadel of all dry land Is, for the taking, mine to dwell therein.35
+//Not one tower only hath my home, nor roof; The house and citadel of all dry land Is, for the taking, mine to dwell therein.35//
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-” Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers:
+Diogenes Laertius Lives of the Philosophers:
 See also Sext. Emp. Hypot. 3. 200, Ath. 10. 422c, Luc. Gall. 20, Plut. Tranq. 4, Demetr. Eloc. 170 and C.'s Life in Diogenes Laertius.